“hold off, Is it a Date?” Podcast Episode 209: Bottoming with Chingy | Autostraddle

Why don’t we earn some sound for your bottoms in the house! (It’s myself, the underside in the home.) Bottom community became quite anything™ using the internet as of late! But what will it truly mean is a bottom? Why gets the tradition chose bottoming is similar to getting afraid to inquire about for just what you would like? And how does an individual start deciding should they fancy bottoming?!

With these concerns rattling around our very own brains, demanding answers, Drew and I understood there was only one individual we could choose for a rounded, passionate discussion about bottoming: The Gay Chingy AKA Chingy Nea, AKA the underside Supreme. Chingy is one of the greatest folks I’m sure creating and tweeting today, and also as a bottom myself, I am honored to call the woman my leader. Chingy allows us to tease out just what it methods to end up being a bottom, precisely why she hates “smol bean” bottom tradition, your system as gap, along with your human anatomy as

whole

. It is a truly breathtaking talk, easily perform say so my self! Kindly know i know that I say “gorgeous” about three thousand occasions this occurrence, and I am pursuing assistance for my problem. (the disorder is talking like 57 year-old white homosexual guy.)

And! This week’s game entails me guessing when the challenging plots Drew defines participate in a film or a dream she had circa 2006. It is hard!

PROGRAM RECORDS

+ Browse Chingy’s
Bottom Manifesto
, follow her
on Twitter
and
IG
!

+Let me reveal a summary of the flicks that Drew found in the woman online game:

• 
  The Seventh Seal
  
  (1937)
• 
  Discussing Child
  
  (1938)
• 
  
  Pierrot ce Fou
  
  
  (1965)
• 
  Black Swan
  
  (2010)

+Watch Anna Faris perform the most useful work of her career in

Smiley Face!

+Let

Shohreh Aghdashloo chat one rest while dressed as Chrisjen


Avasarala


from

The Expanse

as you have earned that.

+Cindy Wilson of The B52s is fairly hot and frankly? “Love Shack” however whips!

+
Robert Mitchum
, stone cold fox.

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EPISODE

Chingy

: I’ve just been bottoming since I have was actually, I am not sure, dating back i will keep in mind.

Drew

: Cue Rags to wealth from

Goodfellas.

Chingy

: As far back as I can remember, i wished to be a base, no, but type

[intro performs]

Drew

: Hi, I Am Drew.

Christina

: I Am Christina.

Drew

: Welcome to

Wait, Is This a Date

?

Christina

:

Wait, So Is This a romantic date?

is actually an Autostraddle podcast aimed at one, the only the greatest question of one’s times: hold off, Is This a night out together?

Drew

: And, wow, I really merely froze upwards indeed there.

Christina

: I found myself like, oh shit, I became expected to state one thing! [laughs]

Drew

: i am actually fast to the banter, my mind simply… the fact is that I became reading over my video game notes, which we’re not at but because we still need to present our selves. Thus, i’ll just be sure to remain centered on one task each time.

Christina

: Focus upwards!

Drew

: i’m Drew Gregory, i’m a writer for Autostraddle, and a filmmaker, and a trans woman.

Christina

: Hi, i’m called Christina Tucker, forgot my finally name for a hot min, no big issue. I am additionally a writer at Autostraddle alongside spots online, a podcaster, a gay black lady. That’s style of it, dog, that’s myself.

Drew

: Everyone loves it. Okay, now we-

Christina

: Now the overall game.

Drew

: are we able to play the game?

Christina

: Can we get right to the video game? I am able to inform you’re excited, I can reveal’re merely shaking.

Drew

: very, I’ve been maintaining a dream record since 2007, while the idea with this video game is actually-

Christina

: I didn’t know this in regards to you!

Drew

: Yes, it isn’t as current now, we familiar with write down all my desires now its only when some thing truly sticks. But, the premise of your video game is, am I explaining the plot of an aspiration I got whenever I ended up being a teenager, or in the morning I explaining the storyline of a motion picture that I appreciated whenever I was a teenager?

Christina

: Oh child, okay.

Drew

: very, just how it will go is we’ll constantly describe it as an aspiration and in the first individual. So, in the event it was

Star Wars,

I’d end up like, I’m in room and I also’m combating as an element of a rebellion, so there’s a wicked  guy who is using a black robot suit also it ends up he is my dad. Which is the way I’ll explain it, the manner by which we explain ambitions, but often it might be a dream, often it’ll be from a movie. Prepared?

Christina

: i am one thing, I’m not sure that I’m ready, but let’s rock. Why don’t we see what i could do here.

Drew

: Okay, I’m on a beach and I also see this strange man wearing black colored. The guy informs me he’s dying therefore can play a casino game to determine if I reside or if perhaps the guy takes me. We manage to avoid, but every where I go, folks are ill and that I feel Death still is following me.The just happy part happens when I fulfill a theater troupe and they are lots of fun.

Christina

: This,i do believe, is an aspiration.

Drew

: this could be Ingmar Bergman’s

The Seventh Seal

from 1957.

Christina

: this is exactly will be a proper gotcha on CT’s traditional motion picture information, because the thing I understand that Drew, in your adolescence, was not doing was enjoying motion pictures that i’ll know. At this time, i am sorts of hoping that I’ve seen not one of them. I think that’ll be more enjoyable in my situation.

Drew

: Another one, I’m ending up in my family many Italian American gangsters. The gangsters demands that we give over some cash, but my family and I also was able to escape. We escape through this all cold landscapes, on the way we fulfill an actress and relate solely to their. We result in a suburb. I do believe we are going to begin another life together until she takes us to a big residence, and I also recognize it is one of the gangster. It had been all a trap, the gangster shows up there’s a confrontation. I kill him, the fantasy stops because of the actress carrying out a musical quantity.

Christina

: Is it a film?

Drew

: this could be an aspiration I got in 2008.

Christina

: Okay, wow. Boy, yeah, I guess I have to understand that its 2000, it is old school Drew head. That’s what i need to bear in mind.

Drew

: additionally like, exactly what films was actually I seeing at the time and exactly how a lot performed that impact my personal ambitions?

Christina

: Well, yeah, obviously quite a lot!

Drew

: a great simple truth is that I was in fact, i did not include this simply because I imagined this will provide out, however the gangster was actually Tony Soprano because I found myself enjoying

The Sopranos

in 2008. Thus, that is an enjoyable little reality. Okay, next one, We have a significant task, but this hot lady turns up and begins sidetracking myself. I want to be along with her, but I additionally need to get could work completed, thus I inform their to go out of. She keeps after me. Out of the blue, a leopard looks in my place and that I need spend remaining fantasy wanting to find the leopard. I am however truly anxious, We never finish might work, but at the least your ex is actually hot.

Christina

: it has to-be an aspiration you have, it’s are a Drew dream.

Drew

: This Can Be Howard Hawks’

Bringing Up Baby

from 1938.

Christina

: No, but that is a dream of yours, this is the the majority of Drew fantasy I’ve have you ever heard. Now at this point, I’m only gonna be spinning movie background, to accommodate my whims.

Drew

: Great, I favor that. Okay, i am at an event and that I don’t really like anybody there. Ultimately, I see this woman, we once had a crush on therefore we opt to leave collectively. We visit her home, but they are chased down from this set of men who’re attempting to eliminate the woman. We end on a beach and it seems like we’re going to be fine till the men select us. She ultimately ends up being into this other man, and so I simply take cartoonish dynamite and decide to blow myself personally up

Christina

: Film.

Drew

: it is! This can be Jean Luc Goddard’s

Pierrot ce Fou

, from 1965.

Christina

: haven’t seen, but that feels like a ding dang film in my opinion.

Drew

: Great, I favor it. There’s a narration describing an odd ship like structure that is impossible to wreck. I am going on a retreat near the structure, the escape is sort of movie theater related, sort of religious. I have a crush on this girl on retreat, but she has a boyfriend. Amid the performances and traditions, there are plenty of drama between me and this lady along with her date, it ends beside me alone. There have been a sequence revealing that watercraft design is actually impossible to damage because a mechanical supply fixes it when you look at the night.

Christina

: that might be everything in plenty steps, i will say film once again, you will want to?

Drew

: it really is an aspiration from 2011, that performed have narration from some other person, you know, it happens!

Christina

: this is actually good promo having a dream diary, because i’m adore it is enjoyable easily could remember my fantasies this way.

Drew

: no body likes as soon as you describe your desires in their mind. I really do though, and that I’m the buddy, when you need jot down the dreams and tell me, I would personally love to discover them.

Christina

: Okay, that’s really nice to hear.

Drew

: i’ve two even more.

Christina

: Okay.

Drew

: i am in a lovely garden with a group of friends, we be seemingly getting up from being drugged. We are forced to shower in an acid that drains pigment so we become blond and blue-eyed. The individuals responsible start training united states to eliminate, it turns out this place will be operate by a crazy dictator, I resist getting totally brainwashed. There’s this woman truth be told there I have a crush on and I persuade this lady to escape with me, while escaping I get recorded and killed, but the lady gets out. Whenever she makes the jail, she understands we are in the center of a forest so there’s no place to visit.

Christina

: Movie.

Drew

: That would be 1st dream inside my dream record from, we stated, “2007.” That it is 2006.

Christina

: Wow.

Drew

: i usually thought it had been interesting that I perish inside the dream, nevertheless other individual continues on. However now, there is some odd gender stuff taking place there, and I’m probably have to think about any particular one for a time.

Christina

: Seriously do this.

Drew

: Okay, You will find another.

Christina

: Okay.

Drew

: I’ve been given the opportunity to end up being a dancer, my mommy insists I won’t be able to exercise. There is this other lady inside program whom In my opinion is actually hot, but I’m worried she’s going to replace me personally. I am struggling in rehearsal, but end upwards leaving with the lady, we connect. It is hot, but personally i think my self dropping control, we return to the party program. My own body seems to be morphing into another thing, I’m worried that I’m going to mess up.

Christina

: This is a movie.

Drew

: Thus,

Ebony Swan

.

Christina

: Yes, this is certainly

Ebony Swan

, undoubtedly.

Drew

: Have you ever seen

Dark Swan

? Which was one I was thinking you seen.

Christina

: I have come across

Black Swan

, I… Fun reality, we went on a night out together with men to see

Ebony Swan

.

Drew

: Wow.

Christina

: merely direct situations I did.

Drew

: that which was that like?

Christina

: Weird, it had been strange.

Drew

: Did you just like the film? Performed the guy like the movie?

Christina

: I think, I experienced already viewed it, i believe I happened to be similar, “Let’s go view it once again.” I believe, I happened to be really pro

Ebony Swan,

and for right heterosexual reasons, truly.

Drew

: Sure, okay.

Christina

: And, he had been like, “That was strange.” And I also had been like, “Oh well, we aren’t likely to continue steadily to big date.”

Drew

: Wow, well I wish him the very best, i really hope he is somewhere succeeding. Thank you for playing this video game beside me.

Christina

: Wow, i am thus pleased I went two for nevertheless a lot of we performed on that.

Drew

: perhaps not terrible.

Christina

: perhaps not awful.

Drew

: You did much better than Elise did when I wanted to find out if this is a functional video game that could operate, and she was my guinea pig. Thus, she only got one correct.

Christina

: reasonable adequate.

Drew

: Should we move on to the primary topic of the few days?

Christina

: let us enter into it, let us get this special visitor in.

Drew

: Well, i wish to initial claim that our main topic of few days is actually bottoming, therefore we could only have one really special visitor.

Christina

: It’s only 1 individual.

Drew

: are you able to kindly present your self?

Chingy

: Hi, i am Chingy Nea, otherwise known as The Gay Chingy. I’m a Writer, Filmmaker, and gasian fabric dyke muppet. I’m in addition The united states’s number one base.

Christina

: Yes, I think when we had been talking about subjects and in addition we’re like, “We could mention bottoming so there’s virtually only 1 person we can easily have in the pod to achieve this, there’s just one individual that is quite virtually the Supreme.”

Chingy

: many thanks for recognizing, it feels good to possess your wonder respected, thank-you

Christina

: Yes, therefore’ve accomplished fantastic work, and here the audience is acknowledging it.

Drew

: i do want to understand whenever you feel like you turned into America’s best base. Whenever had been that a word and a label and an identity that you actually presented onto?

Chingy

: Well, and so I frequently merely say, “i am the underside Supreme.” Because, exactly who cares about The usa?

Drew

: Yes.

Christina

: reasonable adequate.

Chingy

: Yeah, In my opinion that I always was really proficient at bottoming, however in 2017 or something, I went to a play party that was simply for fem top sadists defeating me personally up for six to seven several hours straight, therefore was only myself, and that I was actually like, “Oh, I’m ideal which is actually ever been.” Right after which, I think after that, i recently kept escalating being, wow, i am therefore fun to view. Wow, I’m so interesting as a bottom, this is wow, everybody exactly who extends to peak myself is really fortunate. And, it went after that, I think, then I wrote articles called i am A Much Better Bottom versus You. Listed Here Is Exactly Why. It actually was sorts of a manifesto, it had been a bottom manifesto.

Christina

: certainly, can verify.

Chingy

: And, lots of people have actually said, “It is altered the way they look at gender.” And, i love that a lot. It’s the one post to my website that i have written here. I composed at

Vice

,

Teen Fashion

,

Vulture

—

Autostraddle

was one location I composed, really. But yeah, that is the one blog on my site, should you want to look it over.

Christina

: I love a very good brand name, I adore knowing a brand name, and that I believe that’s actually gorgeous, simply, brand name handling of your bottomy your self. I do believe, that is actually gorgeous to see.

Chingy

: Thank you so much, I got my first authorship chance at

Autostraddle

because I was currently talking about being a bottom, and being poly, and being really strong into getting a leather-based dyke. And because next, i have started to reveal a number of other activities, but getting bottom part supreme only types of will be the one through line of everything.

Christina

: Yes.

Drew

: In addition feel you’re a rather productive base plus in the way you reveal, and talk about, and I assume knowledge bottoming that you’re very productive. While, i do believe there are many the queer area, perhaps, especially the lesbian community, that maybe thinks about bottoming as… I am not sure-

Chingy:

Passivity

.

Christina

: Mm-hmm

(Affirmative)

.

Drew

: Yeah.

Chingy

: Yeah, I frequently point out that absolutely much less soles than men and women think are bottoms. I believe there’s a positive change between getting a bottom and simply being unsure of or seeking what you want. I believe those are two entirely different things that folks conflate.

Christina

: i’d need certainly to concur, I also think the way in which you mention bottoming is, after all, why don’t we merely state it, so much significantly less annoying than the method a lot of people mention being a bottom or determine with bottom society. Because, i actually do believe just what a lot of people assert clearly or non clearly is simply, I am idle and don’t care and attention to accomplish any sort of action, task, et-cetera, I would like things done to myself. And, basically must seek that out in in whatever way, that hurts my personal emotions. And, you’re delicious so powerful at being, these are the things that Needs, bring them to myself and I also will rock the world. Definitely gorgeous in my experience.

Chingy

: thanks, after all, that is what you have to do to be effective in just anything, you need to place your self out there and attempt to make mistakes and get harm slightly, and, I don’t know, study on it.

Christina

: i do believe which is good message, honestly.

Chingy

: i have simply already been bottoming since I had been, I don’t know, dating back to I can recall. [laughs]

Drew

: Cue “Rags to Riches” from

Goodfellas

.

Chingy

: Yeah, as far back as I can bear in mind, i wanted to end up being a bottom. No, but kind of, whenever I ended up being 13 or 14, I became currently looking at SADOMASOCHISM web pages and lesbian SADO MASO sites. So, I becamen’t under any delusions in what I found myself about, I found myself having girls we dated in high school choke me on, I knew everything I wished. And therefore, that degree of consciousness has just given me quite a while to understand what I want and figure out how to have it.

Christina

: Gorgeous, received, offer me personally your feelings on bottoming.

Drew

: Well, I’m actually really excited to share with you this simply because I believe like in 2019 {when I|as I|while
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